This piece was originally published on the Blowfish Blog.
When you're beginning a relationship, is it reasonable to ask your partner not to watch porn?
Yesterday, I posted a column here about porn. I was writing in response to an advice column by Scarleteen, an answer to a letter from a young woman who was upset because her boyfriend watched porn. I posed the question, "In a monogamous relationship, is it reasonable to expect your partner not to watch porn?" And I concluded that it was not. I concluded that people have the right to watch whatever they want when they're by themselves and on their own time, and that asking a partner not to watch porn is no more defensible then asking them not to watch reality TV or read true crime. I concluded that trying to regulate your partner's private cultural pleasures -- pornographic or otherwise -- is like trying to regulate their imagination.
But some readers thought I'd misread Scarleteen's advice. They said Scarleteen's point wasn't that people have the right to ask their existing partners not to watch porn... but rather that if someone objects to porn, they should spell that out at the beginning of a relationship. And on re-reading the Scarleteen column, I think they're right. In my defense, the situation I was writing about was, in fact, the situation described in the letter -- dealing with an existing partner who watched porn, and trying to decide what to say to them. But I do think I misread Scarleteen's intention in their response, and for that, I apologize.
So now I'm going to address the position Scarleteen took: that people who object to porn and are beginning to date someone should spell out their position early, and should state clearly that they don't want to be involved with someone who watches it.
And I'm basically going to stand by my original position.
Which is that this is an unreasonable, overly controlling thing for an adult to ask another adult. It's somewhat less unreasonable than asking it of a partner you're already involved with, someone who's already gotten emotionally invested in your relationship before you dropped your "It's me or the porn" ultimatum. But I still think this is seriously pushing the line between "reasonable negotiation of desires and limits in a relationship," and "controlling attempt to regulate not only your partner's behavior, but their imagination."
Here's why.
Like I did in the previous column, I'm going to take this question out of an erotic context, to give it some perspective. (I am, however, going to keep it gendered for the moment, since much of the previous conversation was about gender and sexism.)
Let's say a single straight woman has objections to televised sports. She thinks they're immoral, or politically objectionable, or she simply finds them upsetting. (Which some women do -- as do some men.) And let's say she tells all her potential partners, "I just don't want to be involved with someone who watches sports. Ever. Even when I'm not around. Even on their own time. Even if it's just when they're hanging around with their friends. If we're going to get involved, you have to be someone who doesn't like watching sports on TV, and you have to promise never to do so."
Would that be a reasonable thing to ask?
I would argue No.
And I'd argue it pretty darned strongly.
At my most sympathetic and calm, my response to that would be, "You should know that an awful lot of men watch sports on TV. And plenty of those men don't fit the stereotype of the sports-obsessed Neanderthal. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what kind of man likes to watch sports on TV, and whether those men could share your basic values -- assumptions that really aren't warranted. If you're going to rule out all men who ever like to watch sports on TV, you're going to limit yourself to a very small dating pool indeed... without a very strong or reality-based reason for doing so. You might want to rethink this. You might want to look more carefully at why you feel so strongly about sports -- and at whether there might be a better way to handle those feelings than refusing to be involved with anyone who enjoys them."
If I were feeling less sympathetic and calm, my response would be, "Are you out of your mind? What difference does it make what your partner watches on TV when you're not around? How is that any of your business? Again -- you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what kind of man likes to watch sports on TV... assumptions that really aren't warranted. What on earth makes you think that's a reasonable thing for one adult to ask another?"
And frankly, if I were dating that woman, I'd end things as soon as I could after that conversation -- even if I didn't like sports. I'd see it as a huge red flag that she had a very controlling side of her. I'd see it as a huge red flag that she was a seriously insecure person -- one who dealt with her insecurities by expecting her partner to tiptoe around them. I'd be out the door as fast as I could -- even if I never planned to watch another sporting event in my life.
Why should porn be different?
If watching porn didn't carry the stigma that it does -- if any and all pursuits of sexual pleasure didn't carry the stigma that they do -- would we see these two situations as any different? If it weren't the case that sports are a generally accepted cultural activity and porn is emphatically not, would we even be having this conversation? If there weren't a stigma around porn, would anyone seriously consider asking their partner never to watch it... and if there weren't shame around porn, would anyone who was asked not to watch it take the request seriously?
Now. To be fair, it's certainly true that in relationships, we get a few "I know I'm being irrational, but I feel strongly about this, so can you please just humor me?" free passes. I think we do, anyway. But when we ask for those free passes, I think we need to acknowledge that that's what we're doing. I think we need to acknowledge that we're asking for something unreasonable, above and beyond the call of duty -- and not act as if we have the moral high ground.
And we need to recognize that not everyone is going to say Yes. We need to recognize that a lot of smart, thoughtful, decent people are going to turn us down. Especially when the activity we're asking our partners to forgo is something that's both ridiculously common and generally harmless.
Like watching sports on TV.
Or watching porn.
Does my hypothetical woman have the right to ask her potential partners not to watch sports on TV, even when she's not around? Sure, she has the right to ask. We have the right to ask for pretty much anything. We have the right to ask our potential relationship partners to not smoke, to tie us up on a semi- regular basis, to take Argentine tango lessons, to watch the entire DVD set of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in a one-weekend marathon, to wear polka dotted underwear every Friday without fail.
But does that make it a reasonable thing to ask?
Is "don't ever watch sports on TV, even when I'm not around" a reasonable thing for one adult to ask of another? Is it reasonable to expect that people will say Yes? Is it reasonable to expect people to even take this request seriously?
I don't think so.
There are lots of things that we have the right to do, which are still not right or reasonable for us to do. We tend to make that mistake a lot: the mistake of thinking that because we have the right to do something, we should therefore just charge on in and do it. It's not clear thinking. We have the right to scream bigoted epithets on the street corner, too. That doesn't make it right or reasonable to do it.
Now.
I will qualify all this by adding: If someone is very firm in their anti-porn position -- if they've thought it through carefully after being exposed to many sides of the debate about it, and their feelings against it are still as strong as ever -- then yes, they should warn their partners up front that this is the case. I don't think it's a reasonable thing for them to ask... but reasonable or not, if it's a dealbreaker for them, then by all means, they should ask it. If I were dating someone who felt this way, I sure as hell would want to be warned upfront, before I'd invested a lot of time and emotional energy in the relationship. I'd want to run screaming sooner rather than later.
But here's the thing. In this particular letter, in the letter to Scarleteen that started this whole conversation, I did not get that impression at all. Nothing about this letter gave me the impression that it was from a confirmed, hard-core anti-porn feminist who was familiar with feminist arguments in favor of porn and had rejected them. Everything about it seemed to be from a young person who was upset by porn, and who ascribed much her of her upset to the supposed sexism of porn... without ever really thinking about it carefully, and without ever being exposed to feminism that enjoys and supports porn. (Scarleteen seems to have gotten the same impression, since they made sure to tell her that being anti-porn wasn't the only way to be feminist, and they provided links to a wide variety of feminist writings on porn.)
So my advice to her would not be, "If you're opposed to porn, to the point where you're not willing to be involved with someone who ever watches it, you need to spell that out early in a relationship."
My advice would be, "If you're opposed to porn, to the point where you're not willing to be involved with someone who ever watches it, you need to seriously rethink whether that's a reasonable thing for one adult to ask another. If you're assuming that a shared opposition to porn means you'll have shared values about sex and gender and politics, you need to seriously rethink that assumption. You need to be aware that there are a lot of pro-porn feminists in the world -- women and men both -- and that opposition to porn isn't the default feminist position. You need to be aware that an awful lot of men watch porn, and it doesn't automatically make them sexist objectifiers of women. You need to be aware that refusing to be involved with any man who watches porn is going to seriously limit your dating opportunities -- and is likely going to rule out a fair number of men who might otherwise be great for you. You need to be aware that asking someone to limit what they do and don't watch when they're not with you is likely to come across as insecure and controlling... even to people who share your basic tastes. And you need to be aware that since there's so much shame and stigma around porn, a lot of men aren't going to feel comfortable standing up for their right and desire to watch it, and you may not get a straight answer about it. You might want to think about whether there's a better way to deal with your insecurities than asking your potential partners to never even look at erotic photos or videos of other women.
"And if, after all of that, you're still opposed to porn, to the point where you're not willing to be involved with someone who ever watches it -- then yes, you need to spell that out early in a relationship. But you need to be aware that you're asking for a lot. And you need to not take the moral high ground about it."
Being a feminist means, among other things, recognizing people's right to sexual autonomy. Women's and men's. If you're going to deal with your bad feelings about porn by expecting your partners to forgo a private sexual activity that doesn't involve you in any way, you need to consider whether that's really consistent with your feminism.
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