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Kit

The Sex and the City girls always reminded me of what Florence King referred to in Memoirs of a Failed Southern Lady as 'malkins': women who worry about their femininity, who are more concerned about what they're perceived to have done than what they actually did, who throw themselves with desperate enthusiasm into being whatever fashion currently dictates is 'feminine' (future housewives in King, sexually active shoppers in Sex and the City), but who spend their lives running to keep up with what somebody else says a woman should be and never stop to ask what they want as human beings. I always thought King was exaggerating, until I thought about Sex and the City and remembered that anxious undertow of scandal the characters all seem driven by, their fear of men seeing them in less-than-perfect mode and horror of judgement. They want approval from whoever it is that defines what a woman nowadays should be.

Real sexual liberation cuts completely counter to that: if they stopped worrying about whatever sexual act is currently fabulous and which acts are totally the provice outcasts, they'd relax a bit. And then they wouldn't be such pliable consumers. A woman who shows her gender with her shoes rather than her spine spends a heck of a lot more.

The show always had affectations of sexual freedom, but that's what they were, affectations, like pre-ripped jeans were a poverty-chic affectation. The good news is that genuine sexual freedom campaigners have made enough progress that conventional people like the City girls feel that they at least have to make some kind of show of it. They don't understand it, but at least it shows a livelier background culture than the Feminine Mystique.

MAK

Yes!!! I was ready to scream non-monogamy too at Samantha.
I hated the movie. I actually liked the show, at least I found it entertaining mind candy. I think, as Alison Bechdel wrote on her blog, it was relaxing to watch for some reason to me. Because it was such a fantasy maybe?
Anyway, I also sympathized with Steve (Miranda's husband who cheated.) I've been with a long term partner who could not be sexual for extended periods and I understand Steve's frustration and the feelings of rejection and hurt, whether intended or not. These feelings are huge and real. Too often there is an attitude that the partner who is missing the sex is shallowly complaining about not getting some fun, as if sex is just not that important. Oddly, sex immediately becomes an important thing if that partner decides to seek it elsewhere. (My partner takes my feelings seriously in this matter- it is why we are together today). Miranda's "I've been wronged" histrionics were just ridiculous.

Martin

Nice post.

Years ago, when I very first saw Sex and the City, it was with my then girlfriend and her friends, and they thought it was brilliant. I didn't. I actually felt that it was pathetic, and offensive to women with its depiction of vapid, insecure, confused, shallow women. Everyone back then said "no, you just don't get it". Well, 10 years later, I still don't get it, and it looks like an increasing number of people now don't get it either.

questioneverything

Greta-

If everyone thought as clearly and deeply as you about things, maybe the world would not suck so much. (not very high-minded, I know, but to the point.)

Even the seemingly most trivial banalities hide landmines of tragic stereotype reinforcement. In fact, because these forms of media are the equivalent of cultural popcorn, they often get away with much more than others. And because they are popcorn, they do more damage to our humanity from the mass intake by society in general. They have a a much greater potential to damage society precicely because of their insidius, perceived low calorie, nature

Keep blogging Greta, I love to read your posts!

-Q

Raging Bee

Three words: spot-fucking-on! This movie was crap, and I can't help feeling it was packaged for the specific purpose of obscuring and stifling real sexual issues, while pretending to be cutting-edge. Sort of like those "crisis pregnancy centers" that turn out to be anti-abortion pressure-groups. Call me paranoid, but after eight years of Karl Rove Postmodernism, I really don't think I'm being that crazy. At the very least, there are a lot of businesses with a strong vested interest in reinforcing attitudes and hangups that lead to more spending -- businesses that could have had a serious effect on the content and marketing of this movie.

There is, however, a real sound business reason for pretending to be cutting-edge and actually being just the opposite. The pretense of cutting-edginess is a necessary standard advertizing tool of using the hint of sex, and sexual adventure, to get people to buy tickets. (I've seen too much of that in the movies themselves: hot, but often totally irrelevant, sex scenes slipped in by directors who are terrified of not getting enough 18-25 males to see their movies.)

But if the movie actually tried to deliver on that promise, even a little, the whole country would have freaked out and attacked the movie like cornered animals; and the movie would have had no more mainstream audience than "Shortbus" or "9 Songs." Any of the things you rightly hinted at here -- non-monagamy, admitting that men have feelings, and good reasons to cheat once in awhile, not pretending that casual sex is pure evil, or (gasp!) taking relationship cues from gay men -- would have triggered deep and longstanding fears in most of the movie's female audience; and very few people would have felt at all comfortable standing up and defending the point against all the raw, emotional, sexophobic attacks.

And where do these women get enough money to pay rent or mortgages in Manhattan, take cabs everywhere, and STILL go on indiscriminate shopping sprees? Cocaine? Gun-running? Law? Medicine? Running call-girl agencies? NONE of those professions would leave them enough spare time to worry about their sex lives, let alone worry and shop.

Oh, and how the Hell did Whatshisname manage to create, out of nowhere, a walk-in closet with more floor space than most apartments, without having to eliminate, say, a bedroom or kitchen or neighboring flat? Did Carrie's sexual-materialistic force-of-nature energy manage to distort the fabric of space-time and create a new sub-dimension in the middle of Manhattan? Or is this just an indicator that the whole movie is nothing but a lame wish-fulfillment fantasy, for people who aren't even imaginitive enough to wish for something interesting?

Then there's the apparently inevitable device of a down-to-earth black woman from flyover-country setting the clueless rich white shopaholic slut straight in all matters (without having any unconventional sexual thoughts of her own, Heaven forefend). What's the message here? Rich white city-slickers are clueless hedonists who have to be saved from themselves by down-home country folk?

PS: I'm with you and Susie on the pubic-hair thing. There is such a thing as too much pubic hair, but I at least want to see enough between my partner's legs to prove she's an adult, not a preteen or a porcelain doll.

Joreth

While I don't disagree with you on any particular point about the movie (and I did like the TV show), I do want to point out that people like you and I and your other readers are hardly middle of the bell curve.

While sex with food seems banal to those of us who have personally witnessed or experienced flesh hooks and fisting, it's still quite shocking to a large portion of our society.

I spend most of my time yelling at the characters, even on the show (and I thought the movie took several steps backwards even from that), but the show *does* question the dominant paradigms surrounding marriage and women in society.

Several episodes in the show do end with the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with being "single" and question why marriage *should* be the goal - not every woman is right for the white picket fence and that's OK. It discusses power struggles and life choices, and each of the four characters chooses a different path without being made out to have chosen the "wrong" path.

Now, the movie, as I said, takes several steps backwards, and I don't disagree with anything in particular here about the movie.

I'm just sayin' that people this far to the left of the bell curve really can't say a whole lot about what's ground-breaking non-conventional because we passed that point miles ago. For the average woman, many of these concepts *are* still shocking ... unfortunately.

Kit

Several episodes in the show do end with the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with being "single" and question why marriage *should* be the goal - not every woman is right for the white picket fence and that's OK.

The fact that this is about as revolutionary as the show gets, I think, is probably one reason why it reminded me of an autobiography set in the 1950s!

questioneverything

exactly how is marriage equated with "the white picket fence"?

Doesn't that seem to reinforce the same cliche'd stereotypes that Greta is dismissive of?

Joreth, I think you give this movie too much credit based on some of your own outdated views.

This movie targeted the 16-23 female group, and subjected them to a barrage of messages based on implied premises. The acceptance of which would set modern progressive thought about sex and gender back about 50 years!

-a woman "realizing" it's okay to be single is hardly progressive anymore, and the fact that the movie tries to make it seem so to it's young and impressionable audience actually retards positive feminist thought in the average young girl who accepts the movie's implicit premises.

-Sex with food should not be shocking to an average audience. So again, by implying that it is, this movie is actively retarding progressive sexual concepts in its young audience as well.

-The blatant materialism would be bad enough, but to have the specific reinforcement of what should be outmoded gender stereotypes was reprehensible. The whole closet-clothing-dream-come-true is an insidius pandering that uses a natural desire for wealth and individual expression to trap the subject in a limited and controlled gender role. Essentially, it says "Don't worry your pretty little head about the world's problem, deary. I know people are starving, and war is being waged, and your country is striving to take away your reproductive freedom, but here's some pretty little shoes and dresses to distract you from the rape of your civil liberties. You don't want those anyway, they won't match your new handbag, honey."

However, I cannot write this movie off as mere tripe, It is much more dangerous than that. I know it has mass acceptance, and I know its messages are being internalized by millions of women in my country, as evidenced by the fact that I cannot go out to a bar anymore without seeing some acolyte of the show ordering cosmos.

The movie and it's message make me sick.

absent sway

I'm with Joreth on this one. The criticism of Sex and the City in this blog post and the comments are warranted and well put but please keep in mind that this is still a country full of promise rings and abstinence-based sex ed. I think that as far as limiting female sexual progress and possibilities goes, we have forces at work far more influential than this show and movie, which make it look sexually advanced in comparison.

Joreth

questioneverything: First of all, I didn't say I gave the movie any credit at all. I said I agreed with the complaints against the movie, that it took several steps backwards from the tv show which wasn't all that great to begin with but had some worthwhile points.

I'm just saying that what is considered "not groundbreaking" to people who are on the very far edge of groundbreaking is a HUGE difference to what is considered groundbreaking to people who aren't even aware they have options.

And, unfortunately, a vast number of people in our society are still living with the idea that the '50s are still the ideal to reach for, so if the show reminds you of '50s groundbreaking, that's why.

Greta Christina

Joreth, I guess my problem with the movie isn't to much that its messages about sex aren't as groundbreaking and sexually progressive as I'd like them to be. My problem is that many of its messages about sex are actively harmful and fucked-up.

The sneering contempt for sexual variation, the idea that casual grooming means you've given up on sex, the persistent and grotesque equation of love and sexuality with consumer goods, etc. etc. etc. -- it's not just that it pretends to be super cutting- edge when in fact it's only mildly so. It's that it pretends to be super cutting- edge when in fact it's actually retrograde, in some very destructive ways.

Franklin Veaux

Well, see, here's the thing.

People--and by this I don't mean "all people," of course, but certainly many people--like to believe that they are trendy and cutting-edge about their sexuality, but don't much like actually BEING trendy and cutting-edge about their sexuality. Actually being on the leading edge of changes in the human sexual experience is scary. It means examining preconceptions, it means challenging accepted social norms.

It is for these people--folks who want to think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of sexuality but who don't actually want to be on the cutting edge--that this movie was made.

And you know what? There are more of those folks than there are folks who're actually on the cutting edge for real. Almost by definition, the people on the leading edge of any kind of social change, including alternative and non-mainstream sexuality, will be the minority.

If you aim a movie at folks in the sexual minority, you're not likely to make as much money as you are if you aim it at people who like to imagine themselves to be exciting and cutting edge without, y'know, actually doing the work it takes to be there. There's a very simple economic calculus at work here, a calculus that virtually assures that the movie would be exactly what it is.

Samantha running around having casual sex with men? That gets a twitter from the women who fantasize that they, too, might like to do something like that, if only they had the courage. Samantha being in an intentionally non-monogamous relationship? That forces the audience to grapple with their own assumptions about sex, family, fidelity, love, relationship, security, jealousy, and self-image...which in turn impacts the profitability of the movie.

In the end, you can make more money by telling people how trendy and cutting-edge they are than you can by actually challenging them. Catering to conventional sexual norms with a wink and a nod while pretending to be sexually cutting-edge is merely a best-fit approach to maximizing the movie's financial return, nothing more.

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