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chancelikely

I read the article in its original location and found it to be good then, so I won't comment on that now.

All I have to say is that "The Texas Dildo Massacre" is the best possible name for a band.

Jon Berger

One quick technical point: the case you're talking about was a Fifth Circuit case, and the Fifth Circuit is just Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. As things stand right now, the case only applies there; other federal courts of appeals are at liberty to make up their own minds about what Lawrence means. You're quite correct in noting that if the Supreme Court upholds the case, it will apply nationwide -- but what the Supreme Court is most likely to do, at least statistically speaking, is just refuse to consider it at all. They can do that; an appeal is a matter of right, meaning that courts like the Fifth Circuit have to hear your case if you choose to bring it, but supreme courts, either state ones or the U.S. one, can pick and choose their cases. If they refuse to consider this one (or "deny certiorari," in lawyer talk), it will remain precedent in the Fifth Circuit only.

Interestingly enough (well, to me anyway), one of the big issues in Reliable Products was whether the plaintiff had standing to assert the privacy rights of its customers. The point, and this is technical but highly significant, is that the plaintiffs here hadn't been prosecuted for USING sex toys, they had been prosecuted for SELLING sex toys. So, the argument went, this case has nothing to do with what consenting adults do in private, the issue addressed by Lawrence; this Reliable Products entity isn't trying to use sex toys in the privacy of its home, it's a friggin' corporation, for heaven's sake, and this lawsuit should have been filed by one of its customers. The Fifth Circuit was having none of that, for reasons going back to the great-granddaddy of all the privacy cases, the 1965 condom case Griswold v. Connecticut (which is invariably referred to as "landmark," sort of like the way you can't say "Muqtada al-Sadr" without "radical cleric"). But the Ninth Circuit -- that's California and the western U.S. -- went the other way on that issue in a case called Fleck & Associates v. City of Phoenix (2006) 471 F.3d 1100, in which a gay club challenged a Phoenix ordinance against "live sex act" businesses. The Ninth Circuit basically said "hey, you're a corporation, you can't even HAVE sex, you certainly have no right to have it in private."

So there's a direct conflict among two federal circuits on whether a business entity has what we usually call "third-party standing" to assert the rights upheld by Lawrence. One of the big things that will motivate the U.S. Supremes to agree to review cases is conflicts between the circuits. So there's some hope that they'll take one or another of these cases in order to address the third-party standing issue. But if they do, that's likely to be the only issue they rule on. It's an important issue; one of the big successes of the environmental movement was a case called Sierra Club v. Morton, in which the U.S. Supremes laid out the rules under which advocacy groups like the Sierra Club could assert the rights of their members to challenge environmental laws. (Ask me sometime about the fascinating tie-in between this case and Country Bear Jamboree at Disneyland.) If advocacy organizations, who have money and lawyers, are shut out from challenging unconstitutional laws, there's a significantly diminished chance that they'll be challenged at all. But somehow I'm not seeing the Supremes taking up the dildo issue. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing this one doesn't get cert.

Greta Christina

Well, shut my mouth. I thought that decisions made by Federal appeals courts affected the whole country. And the way the media covered this story was certainly making it seem that way. Thanks for the correction, Jon.

Skoochie

>> And straight people have a personal vested interest in fighting for gay rights. <<

I can't believe more people don't realize this. As a single straight woman who wants to have sex but not babies, my demographic is right below 'THE GAYS' on some people's list of social problems. After that, married women who want contraceptives, and on and on. So yes -- a resounding "thank you!"

Procrustes

Bravo!

Thanks for reminding us that we're all in this together, and that our best interests rely heavily on the successful establishment of civil and personal rights of everyone, even if based on characteristics we don't share.

Also, outstanding blog. A great addition to my blogroll.

-Pro

Vibe King

There are some people who is sick just use the stuff for there pleasure to hurt somebody.It has implications for sadomasochists. Fetishists. Swingers that is totally unlawful.

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The Vibrator Guy

I too was under the impression that anything happening in a Federal court would work on a national basis. It's very unfortunate that so many people believe that by removing the rights of any group of people that their rights aren't in peril also. This was a great ruling and even if it never makes the Supreme Court most other states never would allow the laws that Texas had.

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Vibrator Queen

Excellent post Greta!

This case was never about vibrators and other erotic products. It is about one group of people criminalizing the activities of those who do not share their ideology.

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Greta Christina

I am closing comments on this thread, as it has become a magnet for commercial comment spam. Sorry. -GC

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