My Photo

The Out Campaign

Atheist Blogroll

Blog powered by Typepad
Member since 05/2005

« Two Erogenous Zones Walk Into A Bar: Sex And Humor | Main | Healthy! Plus Blog Carnivals »

Comments

Betsy

Fascinating.
I always suspected I had missed out on something by never trying drugs. Now I know it. Damn.

Jennifer

I love your blog! Most of the most important things I learned about myself I learned while tripping on LSD. Thank you Albert Hofmann, you will be missed.

Eric

Great post. I had many similar experiences that you describe so accurately. Including the ability to 'shift' my own perception so that I was able to fully comprehend and fully accept the 'same thing' from multiple perspectives. If that is the case, how can one's view of the world be anything but relative and subjective? 'Reality' becomes a set of shared perspectives that we all agree on, and disagreement between two people is often times a disagreement on perspective without realizing it.

Anyway...

Thanks, Albert Hoffman!

bruce

There are no whole truths; all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil. -Alfred North Whitehead; I too have benefited from psychoactive drugs; Can't prove it without testing, but I'm convinced that such drugs enhanced the corpus callosum connections in my brain.
It would be really wonderful if their was some sort of survey of people who have taken acid,mescaline, and the like to see how many have benfited and how many have been harmed; I'll bet right now that those benefiting far outnumber those that have been harmed.

bobdevo

LSD. Positive.
Mescaline. More positive
Psilocybin. Most positive.

Ed

Yeh I remember the last time I did LSD it was at BurningMan in 1997 (or was it 96?). Anyways,
I nearly rode my bike off into the desert at night
like a damn fool chasing after the pretty lights and thinking
"Wow....there must be a great rave just over there...wayyyyy over there...wheeeeeeeee."

DavidBodhi

Not all those "woo" insights are baloney. In fact, many of them are not, they are just misinterpreted to seem to be applicable to the personality, when they are really applicable to the deeper levels of the mind that are shared with all humans, or deeper, yet, will all living things, or deeper yet, with all of reality.

Don't reject your 'woo' thoughts. Study them and compare them to other informational sources, adjust your interpretations until they fit all the evidence.

Let's face it, the ONLY direct experience of reality is perception. Just because perception can be misunderstood doesn't mean that it can't be true and accurate.

Part of what one SHOULD learn from LSD is to distinguish the perception from the concept that arises from it. And, yes, that is very Zen, as it should be.

Far too many people throw the baby out with the bathwater as soon as they realize they misunderstood some flash of insight.

Don't do that!

normanx

It is a shame that such a magnificent drug is considered as illegal. My experiences on it have all been exquisitely wonderful. It is a gateway to greater understanding of oneself and the world around you. I had not done it in... more then ten years...when a couple of years ago, someone offered me some in the morning at a music festival. And, it was as lovely an experience as when I was a youngster.

Susie Bright

Wow, Greta, you said it! So eloquent.

Susie Creamcheese

Nurse Ingrid

"There are no whole truths; all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil."

But some truths are more true than others. (with apologies to George Orwell.)

And some "truths" are CLEARLY false.

Nurse Ingrid

Emo Phillips has a great joke about reality vs perception, and the fact that our own brains can fool us:

"I used to think that the human brain was the most fascinating and complex part of the body.

Then I realized -- look what's telling me that."

Greta Christina

"But some truths are more true than others. (with apologies to George Orwell.)

"And some 'truths' are CLEARLY false."

Yup.

A commenter on this blog (in "The 100% Solution: On Uncertainty, And Why It Doesn't Matter So Much") quoted Isaac Asimov as saying this, one of the best ways I heard this concept expressed:

''When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

(Here's that post, btw:)

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2008/01/the-100-solutio.html

It's not that there's no reality apart from our own perceptions, or that we can't come to a better understanding of that reality. It's that our perceptions will always be distorted, and our understanding will probably never be 100% right. Some people see that as a reason to just not try. I see it as a reason to try harder.

bernarda

The main thing that prevents us from thinking and trying out things is fear. I don't know if it is fear of failing, or looking stupid, or ending up worse, or whatever.

I used to go surfing and skiing on LSD. In those cases, the fear disappeared. I let my body do what I had trained it to do, and it did it well.

One memorable occasion happened in a ski resort where I was working. Two friends and I, on the night of a full moon, dropped in the evening and took four hours to walk up the mountain with our skis. Then as the moon started to decline, we skied down in a few minutes.

It was more than worth it, both the climb and the descent. Time had no importance so the differences were not even noticed. We were laughing while we climbed and we laughed on the way down.

I can tell you, sitting on the top of that mountain in the middle of the night was exhilarating. I doubt we would have done it without LSD, or even thought of doing it.

Laughing on LSD is something only one who has taken it can understand. You can point something out to a partner and both look at it, and without a word, you both begin laughing.

I haven't taken for many years, maybe I am too old and wise now. Anyhow, the memories are still clear.

Nurse Ingrid

I love this video; I'm trying to imagine why the army thought that LSD would somehow benefit soldiers in combat situations.

On the other hand, the military did actually give methamphetamines to soldiers in combat during World War II, thinking that it would help their performance.

People on speed... with guns. Now THAT is scary.

wandrew

There are many quantum physicists, such as Amit Goswami, who believe that subatomic particles do have a kind of consciousness. (This is covered in his book *The Self-Aware Universe.*) So no, it's not a stupid woo idea. Nor is the idea that everyone is where they should be right now. It has its origins in Buddhist theology. So before you start judging ideas, look at who else is expounding them. Maybe they're not as stupid as you thought.

plum grenville
There are many quantum physicists, such as Amit Goswami, who believe that subatomic particles do have a kind of consciousness. (This is covered in his book *The Self-Aware Universe.*) So no, it's not a stupid woo idea. Nor is the idea that everyone is where they should be right now. It has its origins in Buddhist theology. So before you start judging ideas, look at who else is expounding them. Maybe they're not as stupid as you thought.

Posted by: wandrew

So your argument that Idea X merits consideration is that it "has its origins in [some religion's] theology"? Got any other reasons?

I have never heard of Amit Goswani or his book, so I don't feel competent to comment on the stupidity/woo-iness or otherwise of the idea that subatomic particles are conscious. But given your aforementioned criterion for non-stupidity/woo-iness, I'm not going to rush out to research what sounds like a kooky idea to me.

I'd be willing to bet that if Dr. (I hope she/he has a doctorate) Goswani is a real scientist and really claims that subatomic particles are "conscious" in some way, what she/he means by "conscious" is considerably different from what the average woo believer/non-physicist means.


entheogenics

plum grenville: amit goswami is a professor of physics, particularly quantum. his book "god is not dead" is well worth your time - you might learn something - if you are able to grasp what he says.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Subscribe/ Donate to This Blog!

Books of mine

Greta on SSA Speakers Bureau


  • Greta Christina is on the Speakers Bureau of the Secular Students Alliance. Invite her to speak to your group!

Your email address:


Powered by FeedBlitz


Powered by Rollyo

Some Favorite Posts and Conversations: Atheism

Some Favorite Posts and Conversations: Sex

Some Favorite Posts: Art, Politics, Other Stuff